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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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for Sunday the third of November 2013

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Richardson is here with you they're

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coming live from the festival of mind

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body spirit or of course as we call it

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mind body wallet very crowded here today

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down in darling harbour in Sydney in the

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huge exhibition center many many stores

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and stands lots of people are about

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hello the science of spirituality who

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knew it was a science spiritual healing

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which means just holding your hand above

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somebody for no apparent reason all

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going effects Australia selling devices

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to save you from naughty energy which I

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might check back later on

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hmm and all sorts of other things I'm

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going to wander around here and i'll

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report back a little bit later in the

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show but coming up coming up on this

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week's episode of the skeptic zone or if

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Maynard Maynard at the recent Skippy

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camp talking to some people Kate alway

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and Robin Hilliard about various

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interesting skeptical matters including

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aviation are also my report about the

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recent young scientist of the Year

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awards I was very honored to go down and

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present some awards down there and yes I

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couldn't help but I couldn't help it in

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fact I was requested to but I had to do

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it I had to bend a spoon that's a tough

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life anyway that report coming back on

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and more information about the wonderful

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program that is the young scientists of

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the year of course we have weakened

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signs with dr. Paul woods from the Royal

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Institution of Australia which is of

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course very popular

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a bit later on in the show more

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information about the upcoming

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Australian skeptics convention some more

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information about the wonderful fringe

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events we have going on down there and

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I've been told there are less than 20

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tickets now less than 20 tickets for the

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convention now is the time to book

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anyway well I wonder around this maze of

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people and it's just coffee oh my love

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can't be all bad and psychics oh well

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there you go I'll do that i'll report

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back later and i hope you enjoy the

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during the week it was my pleasure to

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travel down to warn Gong which is south

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of Sydney to the University of

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Wollongong I was going down there to

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take part in the young scientist award

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now the young scientist award is from

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the Science Teachers Association of New

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South Wales a wonderful group of people

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and the Australian skeptics have been

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associated with these awards now for

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many years before the awards ceremony I

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Science Center and planetarium which was

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a lot of fun Here I am at the Science

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Center getting ready for the young

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scientist awards and I found here

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therapy there we go well not exactly the

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beach boys but there you go a theremin

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good heavens it's a nice little setup

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they've got here at the planetarium and

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science center at the university of

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wollongong there's a mechanical elephant

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or dinosaur have to check that out looks

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the skeleton of the theropod anyway and

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very nicely displayed that is too with

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around the corner here your replica of

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and look above me and I see an early box

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kite which can be the prototype for the

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fire they've got one of these

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interesting pendulums here which rocked

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back and forth and to show that the

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earth is spinning and knocks over

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various dumb dominoes as it goes an

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exercise bike the texts to your power

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output all sorts of waits until Roboto a

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little robot press it's a little robot

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inside a glass dome poor little thing

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in a cage just pumping back and forth

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ugh brains it's called

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coming over here to the back of the room

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what do we have oh it's one of these um

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and next to it is one of the one of

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those things in seven of nine used to

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sleep under to regenerate a plasma sort

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treasure here for Wollongong people come

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to your planetarium look at a vortex

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here spinning away in water Oates you

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stopped a giant clock here I better go

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upstairs and check out the nano

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technology exhibition oh my way up the

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stairs there's a current population

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clock of the world the Australian number

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is only 21 nearly 22 million note

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strange sound you can hear hundreds of

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little stoppers to represent probability

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that these little beads appalling more

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or less as you would expect with a bell

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place is alive with all the guests and

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students here for the young scientist

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award and back at the big pendulum now

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knocking over the Donald dominoes the

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graph over there looks like it's a

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it's really nice to see this area for

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full of people them robots are out it

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again bouncing around their little

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and I can play with the robot here and

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well after looking around the science

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center and planetarium bus getting a

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laser show in the planetary which was

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the young scientists Awards I was very

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privileged to be able to present one of

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the wards myself I like mike says days

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Richard Saunders of these strange

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skeptics to come to the front and say a

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few words with a Foreman's will also

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present a special recognition awards in

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a scientific investigation section thank

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you very much what a pleasure it is to

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be here again I've been very lucky to be

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able to come here here after here most

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years for many years now to shake the

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hands of the young scientist so many of

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you may wonder why would like the

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Australian skeptics is interested in

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supporting the young scientist flat

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heart the Australian skeptics supports

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science that's our key interest so far

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we have so much fun we get to look for

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ghosts we really do like monsters and

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UFOs and all that sort of stuff and many

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years ago and this is why the skeptics

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really got going there were people going

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around the world claiming they can do

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things science couldn't explain i'm

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it's a normal it's an old one but two

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big one the spoon somebody requested I

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normal spoon but there's a great optical

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illusion something you may have seen

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give a little eagle it can look like

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it's made have a brother so bear that

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optical illusion so we get this spoon

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it like this is a little run here and I

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melt and bend in my hands against the

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laws of physics here we go and if you

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concentrate you will actually think

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do that see that you can see that

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wiggling yeah yeah of course spoons

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can't do that we know now is only about

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the collusion because you can't read

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we would have unusual claims and we

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pounce on people who use scientific

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really in there just plain nonsense and

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invite some young scientists with me

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thank you very much and the young

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scientist of the year for this year 2013

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was Ethan butson from the Illawarra

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grammar school now a three times when I

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which i think is a record the strength

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of his research was the development of a

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prototype device to improve the vision

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of people who have suffered certain

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visual impairments due to a stroke that

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sounds very impressive i hope to

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interview Ethan are pretty soon on the

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skeptic zone other winners on the night

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in the primary section the primary young

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scientist was Juliet napton of Abbot's

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Leigh junior school and the budding

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young scientist was Cameron phrygia of

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Glenhaven public school congratulations

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to all the winners and well done to the

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Science Teachers Association of New

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South Wales for supporting young

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the mystery investigators show four high

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schools using science to investigate the

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strange and mysterious spoon bending

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you use the scientific method to

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investigate and explain these strange

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and amazing claims the mystery

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investigators show is a fun interactive

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hour of science and magic if you're in

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the sydney area visit w WM astray

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investigators com to find out more and

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for bookings the mystery investigators

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using science to investigate the strange

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the mind-body-spirit first of all I'm

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just walking around now the various mini

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aisles here and maybe it's occurred to

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this a case of let the buyer beware I

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mean there are all sorts of people here

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selling things that don't work and

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psychic experiences which aren't

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obviously true out-of-body for example

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what's what's the what's the stage where

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the government and authority should step

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in and persecute or whatever for selling

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fake products I guess they should I

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guess they should but everybody here has

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the opportunity to find out if these

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things are my legitimate or not a lot of

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them want them to be true lot of them

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will spend their money here regardless I

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would suspect it's an interesting one I

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guess there are various limits levels I

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the acupuncture clinic is very father ah

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here's the room of psychics

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50 or so psychics are sitting at tables

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and you can choose your psychic from the

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wall of psychics or the photograph and

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what they do oh how exciting is that

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seems to me you can make a decent living

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just by setting up a storm waving your

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hands over somebody which people are

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doing right left and center on custom

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has to do is sit down shut their eyes

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ten minutes later hand over money no end

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of acupuncture charts in this place the

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plastic ones you've probably seen

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yourself with a skinned human showing

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muscle and magic meridian lines see

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about four of them sensible coming in

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and various people claiming to be

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psychic whatever that means

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and the prize for the best and word

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salad of the day goes to quantum balance

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crystals that waiteth a body scans and

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energy readings $25 for 10 minutes yep

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that's the winner

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we also have the other popular or images

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like very old fashioned boxes Fox

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brownies or something yeah

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natural dentistry one shudders to think

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what that means raylene cable it was the

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contestant on the very first series of

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the one in 2008 she's got a little booth

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here a big poster as seen on the hit TV

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series the lamp there you go

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you have to see someone doing the body

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balance tricks with the power bands or

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anything like that but i still haven't

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seen everything yet rap still something

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I can't quite get used to harmony conia

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candles and there's a woman lying down

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with a candle stuck in her ear and the

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other side is blazing merrily away from

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those people who follow me on Facebook

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probably know exactly what I'm talking

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about because I'm about to take a

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picture of it I've been coming to this

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mind body right now for over 10 years

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twice a year for over 10 years and yeah

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sometimes I'm listen but the frustration

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is really apparent because I'm passing

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all sorts of people paying good may for

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all sorts of services which my the laws

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of nature and physics can't possibly

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work and there's a part of me I guess

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you could understand that wants to tell

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everybody stop in and say look this

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doesn't work

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these machines don't do anything this

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product is clearly bogus but you can't

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you know

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you'd probably be shown the door or

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you'd be wasting your time to logic

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sneakers people don't want to hear this

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but I will admit it can be really really

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frustrating it's like you feel sort of

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helpless in a way but I guess

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give it getting information and then

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acting on it later on the best you can

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is the best you can do sort of leave you

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at that frustration I will admit so I

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think I've mentioned this before that

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periodically I get the better myself and

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I'll say something no argue with a

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stallholder on it something like that it

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gives you a momentary buzz

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doesn't really help

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but it doesn't really Indiana doesn't

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still

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rule human an assignment um about

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passing says you were not born to suffer

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well I guess it's a bonus because

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there's nobody here doing kinesiology

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tests as the in the ones of the the arm

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tests and the rubber bands and selling

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pendants and making yourself weak or

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strong or whatever the case may be used

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before there will be numerous people

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doing those sort of things but they seem

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to have gone so I guess that's a plus

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yeah I said before that I'd found the

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winner for the word salad well I think I

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found another winner quantum vortex

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healing revolutionary and a

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multi-dimensional fifteen dollars for 15

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minutes so there you go how about that

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there's actually a palm reader here

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goodness me behold favorite well I have

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a bag full of a ferocious the pore over

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later on from everything from magic

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devices to save your home from naughty

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energies or campaigning to take away

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fluoride from our water supply and all

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sorts of things like that if you get a

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chance to come to a mind-body-spirit

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festival I suggest you take it and walk

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around ask questions have a look gather

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brochures it's not a waste of time it's

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not a waste of money if something every

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skeptic should do it's all very well

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being skeptical about things but I think

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you need to be

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on the frontline some time looking

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gathering information learning even

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though it can be quite frustrating at

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times so I think it's time for me to

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we Sol reconstructing lost lumbering the

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tail wagging the dog and Forests respond

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one of the largest ever dinosaurs has

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taken its first steps in 94 million

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years paleontologists stand a 40 meter

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long skeleton of Argentinosaurus and

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used digital modeling to recreate it

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walking and running these impressive

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animals and not like any creature alive

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today which creates a lot of

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misunderstanding about how they could

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have moved the new study clearly

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demonstrates that this 80,000 kilo

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dinosaur was able to stroll across South

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America at about eight kilometres an

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hour have you ever wondered how ticks

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get under your skin for the first time

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researchers videoed and analyzed how a

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tick attaches to the skin it uses a

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ratchet like mechanism where to mouth

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parts move alternately to generate an

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anchor point it then uses a breaststroke

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like motion to insert a bob spike

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allowing it to stay attached fat out to

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traditional swaddling of babies may lead

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to hip problems later in life those

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brain training games apps and websites

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may improve your memory but not your

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intelligence forest canopies grow bent

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over time buffering lower growing plants

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against global warming and dogs respond

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differently when their mates wag their

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tails to the right then when they wag

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them to the left which is thought to

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signify different emotions

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that's it for this a week in science

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I'll see you back here next week now on

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Belfast FM we turn to the person lads

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easygoing and confidence skeptic seeks

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other critical thinkers for fun laughter

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and good times must be willing to apply

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logic liberally and a good listener

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expect something new and interesting

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every month come on meet me in Belfast

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in Northern Ireland if this sounds like

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you check out my profile on bail for

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here's my not spooky action at the

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there's no who we got here my name is

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Kate alway and now are you a a splinter

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group of in the within the skeptics a

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you another skeptic group member you an

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atheist group member what group do you

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represent today I get involved with in

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atheist groups okay and right and now

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are the many familiar faces you are

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skeptics usually atheists generally

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absolutely this group which is lovely

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I've been coming for three years because

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I'm with the UTS atheists and we

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actually sponsor by booking the rooms so

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this is a great group that we're very

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happy to to be involved with because yes

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most people are atheists if they're not

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it's not a big deal hmm people

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understand what I talk about atheists

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issues very much certainly things I'd

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like to have a chat to some skeptics at

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our theist one day I just haven't met

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any or any that want to have a chat I'd

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like to have a chat to them about how

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they have a reconcile that yes it would

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be very interesting I've met a few

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people over the years with various views

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that being in involved in atheism gets

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people coming to you and at the

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university of technology here in sydney

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what is the biggest challenge for the

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atheists here in the group has ever got

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a campaign of any sort going on the

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moment the biggest challenge is getting

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it together to get people in the same

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place do there are lots of people who

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are interested who expressed that we

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could do great things but getting them

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to do it on we're contending with the

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problems of the neoliberal world and the

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cubs in education which make life hard

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for students in general and how do you

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get on with the Islamic and Christian

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groups on campus great actually we've

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had several events that we've held with

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the Christians with credo here and some

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of their people have regularly come to

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our events to the Islamic and the Jewish

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groups and the the Adventist group even

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we've been working on have it organizing

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with but they're not quite so big and

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organized and huge and living sometimes

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an interfaith meeting can be a lot of

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fun because you get to have your ideas

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challenged and

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you learn a bit about the way theists

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think and perceive the world and and

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that that can only be a learning

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experience usually absolutely well I'm

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very keen to talk to the Jewish group

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because they've been having issues with

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that they have a lot of atheists in

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their group make sense to me and but

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they had a speaker recently who was who

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blamed Jewish atheists for the demise of

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Jewish culture or something so they're

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they're keen to talk to us also the

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Islamic group will we've agreed the

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people i've talked to that both groups

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experiencing similar things in that

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we're both minorities were both

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marginalized people think strange things

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about both of us and people in each

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group think very strange things about

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the others so yeah we're getting on to

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having a knife well moderated discussion

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that doesn't talk about what people

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believe but how people came to that and

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and what that does for us you spoke to

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me earlier briefly that you're getting a

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float together for Mardi Gras parade in

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sydney for the sydney mardi gras and you

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did one last year i believe tell us

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about that i am yes we've actually done

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five Mardi Gras floats it's the sydney

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queer atheists we came out of sydney

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atheists but now we're our own

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organization anybody is still welcome to

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come in our float but it's a lot of fun

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last year was the Higgs boson that we

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were celebrating so we had lots of big

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lanterns or lit up with with subatomic

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particle symbols written on them and it

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is great do you think the passing crowd

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got it some I'd say but they still

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responded very well weather weather many

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people understood the actual point or

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not and we could get our name it out

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there we always get a lot of people from

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inside the parade coming up to us and

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saying how wonderful it is to have the

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atheists there I've got a theme for this

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this prayer which is coming up in

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February late very much as MIT is not

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yet we're trying to figure that out

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we've done flying free from religion and

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we've done coming out as atheist when

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we've done the bus campaign when when we

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weren't allowed to when the bus

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companies in the Billboard companies

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were not letting us advertise like

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what's happening around the world so we

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we made our own buses out of fridge

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boxes and wore them down the street for

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Mardi Gras instead and where can we find

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you online to find out more about

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getting involved with your Mardi Gras

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parade I mean now's your chance look

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it's there's a lot of lead up to it if

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you're somewhere in Australia around the

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world you want a theist it wants to be a

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part of these in the atheists at the

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Mardi Gras parade would be a great thing

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to come in if you're visiting from

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overseas it'll be a great way to see the

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city wouldn't if you here at that time

547
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absolutely where are you online queer

548
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atheists org battle find everything

549
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there right thanks a lot and have a

550
00:29:18,919 --> 00:29:17,340
great day to skip to captain what's your

551
00:29:20,779 --> 00:29:18,929
vote for the cupcake camp by the way

552
00:29:23,149 --> 00:29:20,789
I've got to vote for that one no I

553
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:23,159
haven't decided the the blue Cookie

554
00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:26,159
Monster ones just looked amazing but a

555
00:29:30,649 --> 00:29:27,960
little terrifying to eat so I don't know

556
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:30,659
if I can vote on the taste really from

557
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:32,609
just the look okay so you're thinking

558
00:29:35,419 --> 00:29:34,200
that there's a miniature cookie monster

559
00:29:38,659 --> 00:29:35,429
in your stomach that could cause some

560
00:29:43,940 --> 00:29:38,669
sort of evil no I think that much food

561
00:29:45,229 --> 00:29:43,950
coloring will turn me blue we here at

562
00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:45,239
skip de Kamp it's getting towards the

563
00:29:48,289 --> 00:29:46,980
end of the day with the cupcake moon has

564
00:29:50,810 --> 00:29:48,299
been announced and of course it's time

565
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:50,820
to cross to our aviation correspondent

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00:29:54,349 --> 00:29:52,529
for the skeptic zone Robin Hillier how

567
00:29:55,639 --> 00:29:54,359
are you very well thanks Maynard oh my

568
00:29:58,159 --> 00:29:55,649
last discussion with you on the skipped

569
00:30:00,229 --> 00:29:58,169
exam was heard by mar loca city a worker

570
00:30:02,090 --> 00:30:00,239
at NASA who worked on the mercury and

571
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:02,100
Gemini and Apollo programs and he

572
00:30:05,869 --> 00:30:03,690
contacted me we had a great chat about

573
00:30:08,180 --> 00:30:05,879
aviation so I'd like to thank you for

574
00:30:09,979 --> 00:30:08,190
inspiring he actually worked on the tail

575
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:09,989
of the Harrier Jump Jet i believe it's

576
00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:12,570
called the Cassetti tail that's very

577
00:30:16,580 --> 00:30:14,220
exciting I mean that was I mean that was

578
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done by a halt so that was actually a

579
00:30:20,629 --> 00:30:18,600
British other maybe work on the AV eight

580
00:30:22,159 --> 00:30:20,639
they were doing some wind tunnel testing

581
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at NASA which is the place to do it at

582
00:30:25,369 --> 00:30:23,429
the time and that's where he became

583
00:30:27,049 --> 00:30:25,379
involved right okay that's very that's

584
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very cool yeah obviously very cool

585
00:30:29,479 --> 00:30:28,320
indeed I mean and it's a bit

586
00:30:30,889 --> 00:30:29,489
embarrassing cuz neither I was when we

587
00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:30,899
were mentioning our favorite planes at

588
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:33,419
last year's a skeptic amp neither of us

589
00:30:36,259 --> 00:30:35,100
mentioned the the Harrier Jump Jet we

590
00:30:37,820 --> 00:30:36,269
probably should which is pretty special

591
00:30:39,889 --> 00:30:37,830
since then I have read a very

592
00:30:41,659 --> 00:30:39,899
interesting autobiography called not

593
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:41,669
much of an engineer by sir Stanley

594
00:30:44,090 --> 00:30:42,450
hooker

595
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was the guy who first worked at the mill

596
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:45,930
and super chargers which is what the big

597
00:30:50,510 --> 00:30:48,090
leap in Spitfire performance and was

598
00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:50,520
from the was due to the the he's

599
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basically the first they had basically

600
00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:53,550
been winging it rolls-royce had been

601
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winging it with you know testing testing

602
00:30:59,660 --> 00:30:57,840
the results of the supersizers for the

603
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for the races in the Schneider trophy

604
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:01,410
and not nothing much changed until he

605
00:31:05,060 --> 00:31:02,970
came on and he was a mathematician who

606
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,070
was into fluid mechanics and all this

607
00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:07,200
sort of stuff and he just hidden it was

608
00:31:09,620 --> 00:31:08,460
it's a fantastic story when he just

609
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suddenly realizes that the people here

610
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:11,070
are working on the supercharger which is

611
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:12,450
something that he was a sort of world

612
00:31:15,890 --> 00:31:14,370
exports bird in and he went did some

613
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:15,900
sums and came back a few weeks later and

614
00:31:19,550 --> 00:31:17,490
they they all of a sudden they moved

615
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from an art into a science because when

616
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they went to test the next supercharger

617
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:23,490
set up for the Merlin it was perfect it

618
00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:24,810
came out to within a few you know one or

619
00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:26,070
two percent of what he predicted

620
00:31:29,420 --> 00:31:27,720
mathematically and it was where with the

621
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Mustang their great American aircraft be

622
00:31:32,750 --> 00:31:31,440
without the British Merlin engine it

623
00:31:35,420 --> 00:31:32,760
would have been flying with an allison

624
00:31:37,550 --> 00:31:35,430
injured at much lower level mmm and look

625
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:37,560
what skeptically has tricked you in

626
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,690
aviation lately is it it had been any

627
00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:41,600
incident as if in the black box

628
00:31:45,890 --> 00:31:43,740
incidents that are worth mentioning

629
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:45,900
that's because I must remind you

630
00:31:50,270 --> 00:31:47,850
listening to that Roman he does read the

631
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:50,280
black box literature I do read from that

632
00:31:53,540 --> 00:31:51,510
side although unfortunately they've just

633
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:53,550
the crash comics released but I'm

634
00:31:57,260 --> 00:31:55,740
released in australia have have just

635
00:31:58,550 --> 00:31:57,270
gone into electronic only format which

636
00:32:00,320 --> 00:31:58,560
is very sad because it used we have to

637
00:32:02,090 --> 00:32:00,330
use of aviation safety digest and then

638
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:02,100
aviation safety it's now no longer in

639
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:04,110
print so i suppose it's the way of the

640
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:05,340
world and so i get the emails but i

641
00:32:08,270 --> 00:32:06,570
don't get to read them as often any

642
00:32:11,060 --> 00:32:08,280
incidents worthy of note are the

643
00:32:13,910 --> 00:32:11,070
annoying things for me at them with my

644
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:13,920
head in the UAV lander that UAV landing

645
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:16,650
on the on the harbour bridge south pylon

646
00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:19,500
just before the fleet came in and also a

647
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:21,990
few people being killed by lloyd killed

648
00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:23,490
by radio controlled helicopters and

649
00:32:27,410 --> 00:32:25,830
stuff over in the u.s. recently this is

650
00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:27,420
either helical they fell out of the sky

651
00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:29,580
onto them and these generally they

652
00:32:33,890 --> 00:32:31,500
intended to be people who are operating

653
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:33,900
a helicopter very close to other two

654
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:35,340
bystanders and other people and managed

655
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:36,960
including a really horrible situation

656
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:38,820
where baby was killed by remote control

657
00:32:42,650 --> 00:32:40,860
helicopter now i believe that that is

658
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:42,660
illegal in this country wouldn't that be

659
00:32:47,780 --> 00:32:44,850
illegal in America as well um yeah it is

660
00:32:50,330 --> 00:32:47,790
if it's just I think what's happening at

661
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:50,340
the moment is it's do you the copters

662
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:51,480
and things I suppose since I've got a

663
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:52,380
bit of an audience the moment just

664
00:32:54,390 --> 00:32:53,730
please be very sensible if you're going

665
00:32:55,710 --> 00:32:54,400
out there and buy

666
00:32:57,510 --> 00:32:55,720
I in one of these clods at the moment

667
00:32:59,340 --> 00:32:57,520
they are just think of it as are like a

668
00:33:01,500 --> 00:32:59,350
little flying lawnmower or a whipper

669
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:01,510
snipper you know with I mean people do

670
00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:03,850
get injured by them and you have to when

671
00:33:06,690 --> 00:33:05,230
you even though they're a toy you have

672
00:33:08,460 --> 00:33:06,700
to start thinking of them the same way

673
00:33:09,630 --> 00:33:08,470
pilots think about operating real planes

674
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:09,640
you there is a potential to actually

675
00:33:13,170 --> 00:33:11,440
really hurt or killed in a good sign

676
00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:13,180
because people put camera mounts on them

677
00:33:15,870 --> 00:33:14,830
and fly them over surfing beaches and

678
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:15,880
things like that which is reasonably

679
00:33:19,530 --> 00:33:17,890
okay but once you is it is over any

680
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:19,540
people or over a certain crowd you

681
00:33:22,650 --> 00:33:21,250
aren't allowed the fighting over oh well

682
00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:22,660
there's actually rules I should actually

683
00:33:27,540 --> 00:33:24,940
know these the model I think it's within

684
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:27,550
something like 30 model aircraft they

685
00:33:31,770 --> 00:33:28,930
have standards these aren't actually

686
00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:31,780
casa rules these are what the australian

687
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:33,820
model aircraft association forgotten the

688
00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:35,890
exact acronym that's what their general

689
00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:39,630
was about 30 30 meters from a crowd and

690
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:42,280
nine meters there's another 9 meter rule

691
00:33:45,030 --> 00:33:43,600
i think for hovering for hovering

692
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:45,040
helicopters especially just to give

693
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:46,570
everybody a chance to run if something

694
00:33:50,910 --> 00:33:49,120
goes seriously wrong and you know and

695
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:50,920
you do have these quite powerful i mean

696
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:52,450
some people you know electric engines

697
00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:53,650
all that's not for example but they are

698
00:33:56,910 --> 00:33:55,630
very powerful engines look if some of

699
00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:56,920
them have a digital single-lens reflex

700
00:34:00,000 --> 00:33:58,690
camera on them if you had that even a

701
00:34:01,170 --> 00:34:00,010
plastic one dropped from a height of 9

702
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:01,180
meters it's going to hit you on the

703
00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:03,010
scone pretty hard yeah yeah there is

704
00:34:06,090 --> 00:34:04,750
that thing but I think the main sort of

705
00:34:08,070 --> 00:34:06,100
dammit damaged people getting has been

706
00:34:09,899 --> 00:34:08,080
actual damage from rotors and props okay

707
00:34:12,510 --> 00:34:09,909
so stay away from small plastic props

708
00:34:14,130 --> 00:34:12,520
just be sensible when the toys are

709
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:14,140
powered by very powerful electric motors

710
00:34:20,190 --> 00:34:16,450
and then what's been your takeaway

711
00:34:23,070 --> 00:34:20,200
message from skip de camp 2013 I'm just

712
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:23,080
incredibly proud of Allison Gaylord and

713
00:34:27,389 --> 00:34:24,370
the work that they've been doing up at

714
00:34:29,550 --> 00:34:27,399
the northern rivers with the the pro

715
00:34:31,530 --> 00:34:29,560
vaccination work they're doing up there

716
00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:31,540
she's a fantastically good person and

717
00:34:36,570 --> 00:34:32,830
brain this has made me think about

718
00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:36,580
getting a pertussis vaccine from a shot

719
00:34:40,770 --> 00:34:38,470
for myself and and I'm just wondering

720
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,780
someone my age not always having contact

721
00:34:45,149 --> 00:34:42,159
with children is something I should get

722
00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:45,159
my understanding is yes I have to admit

723
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:47,800
that I haven't myself and I you have

724
00:34:51,450 --> 00:34:49,090
reminded me that I should be thinking

725
00:34:52,830 --> 00:34:51,460
about doing that as well yeah yeah look

726
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:52,840
maybe next year someone could come along

727
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:54,850
and shoot up a couple of us yeah that we

728
00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:55,810
could do we could all shouldn't be out

729
00:34:58,860 --> 00:34:57,250
here and just sitting in the corridor

730
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:58,870
you know leaning against the wall and

731
00:35:04,450 --> 00:35:01,599
groaning holding our own oh

732
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:04,460
it's not saturday night yet bro I just I

733
00:35:09,069 --> 00:35:06,609
just gave me an image is rather amusing

734
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:09,079
we'll see you next year cheese made up

735
00:35:23,650 --> 00:35:11,119
that's how avian chorus hey la vie in

736
00:35:23,660 --> 00:35:27,730
jin shan so

737
00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:30,170
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738
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:33,180
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739
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741
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742
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